Comments on: Melbourne’s trains in ‘the good old days’? https://wongm.com/2012/01/melbourne-train-delays-then-and-now/ Marcus Wong. Gunzel. Engineering geek. History nerd. Mon, 15 Feb 2021 22:03:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Ryan Thistlethwaite https://wongm.com/2012/01/melbourne-train-delays-then-and-now/#comment-743068 Mon, 15 Feb 2021 22:03:49 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=2272#comment-743068 In reply to David Stosser.

Newport is awful for the community, Clifton hill as well from my memory and yes – Sunshine is another horrible example. They are particularly bad infrastructure for the people that actually live there. Are borderline hostile to pedestrians and their design lends itself to the areas becoming a highway in the middle of community centres.

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2012/01/melbourne-train-delays-then-and-now/#comment-469131 Thu, 30 Aug 2018 04:11:46 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=2272#comment-469131 In reply to Myrtonos.

I’ve got a feeling that back in the late 1950s organised ‘NIMBY’ groups didn’t exist, which was the reason there wasn’t any blowback – anti-freeway activism didn’t take off until the 1970s.

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By: Myrtonos https://wongm.com/2012/01/melbourne-train-delays-then-and-now/#comment-468244 Sat, 25 Aug 2018 00:03:52 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=2272#comment-468244 In reply to Marcus.

Any idea if there would be that many complaints if the four grade separations you mentioned had been done before they were surrounded by buildings?

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By: myrtonos https://wongm.com/2012/01/melbourne-train-delays-then-and-now/#comment-443108 Fri, 10 Nov 2017 12:09:09 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=2272#comment-443108 In reply to Marcus.

At that time, we had more level crossings that today. I believe we did have the money and resources to grade separate a lot of level crossings during the 1970s, but we instead put it into freeways such as the Tullamarine, Eastern and South Eastern.

And here is another example where the manual operation was at an advantage: Most of our level crossings (more than 180) had proper gates which barred the railway when open to road traffic. At crossings with roads with footpaths, there were also wicket gates with manual locks. When a train was due, the signalman or gatekeeper would wait for a gap in the road traffic and then swing round the gates, and then locking the wicket gates after the pedestrian crossing was clear.*

Because the person operating these gates could see the crossing, and checked before locking them, these did not need emergency exits. It because of this and because the main gates covered the full road width when not baring the railway that level crossings worked in this way did not need bells or alarms.

But we had so many level crossings that this was expensive, and the solution was to replace nearly all these gates by lifting barriers that closed a pre-programmed amount of time after two red lights start flashing alternately and bell starts sounding, and the wicket gates by crib crossings and later pedestrian gates or pedestrian boom barriers, these being programmed to close a certain time after the level crossing is activated and they needed emergency exits too!

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By: Marcus Wong https://wongm.com/2012/01/melbourne-train-delays-then-and-now/#comment-110466 Fri, 23 Aug 2013 05:41:42 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=2272#comment-110466 In reply to FightForRail.

One could argue the graffiti vandals are already painting the concrete road overbridges for us! 😛

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By: FightForRail https://wongm.com/2012/01/melbourne-train-delays-then-and-now/#comment-110460 Fri, 23 Aug 2013 05:15:00 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=2272#comment-110460 I fail to see the problem with those structures. I feel that is the way to go, as it would be somewhat cheap to construct.

Perhaps we could paint them in such a way as to make them look better?

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By: David Stosser https://wongm.com/2012/01/melbourne-train-delays-then-and-now/#comment-56315 Fri, 07 Dec 2012 05:44:05 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=2272#comment-56315 Sunshine and Huntingdale both match the style of Newport/Burnley/Clifton Hill/Oakleigh.

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By: mich https://wongm.com/2012/01/melbourne-train-delays-then-and-now/#comment-55680 Mon, 03 Dec 2012 11:22:24 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=2272#comment-55680 Stopping unnecessarily at level crossings is retarded. Wonder why so many cars “stall” on the tracks ? Because people who can’t drive manual cars properly stopped there.

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By: Marcus https://wongm.com/2012/01/melbourne-train-delays-then-and-now/#comment-19743 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:20:31 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=2272#comment-19743 In reply to Andrew.

The efficiency of the old mechanical interlocking compared to the new computer based systems might have something to do with it: in the old days the signalman could look out the window and see where everything was, and had enough flexibility to route trains in a way he thought was most efficient. Today everything is remotely operated from a dark windowless control room.

Another thing to consider is dwell times: once upon a time able bodied passengers could jump out an open door while the train was still rolling into the platform, and trains would depart as soon as the doors looked clear. Today passengers need to wait for the doors to be released on arrival at the station, and the train can’t leave until the last passenger has stopped forcing the doors open.

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By: Andrew https://wongm.com/2012/01/melbourne-train-delays-then-and-now/#comment-19697 Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:37:00 +0000 http://wongm.com/?p=2272#comment-19697 In reply to Marcus.

Thanks for you response Marcus, but Melbourne’s trains used to carry far more people than they do now and I expect there were more trains and all the trains came into the only city station, Flinders Street. Yes, there was a wait in the yards at times, but it is quite remarkable how well the system used to work compared to now.

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